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Tropylium >> #7288
Posted on 2012-12-28 18:42:24 Score: 4 (vote Up/Down)   (Report as spam)
What if Jade's prototypings had been in the reverse order?

ElementJester >> #7308
Posted on 2012-12-28 22:29:01 Score: 3 (vote Up/Down)   (Report as spam)
Speculation dump incoming:

Assuming the time of prototyping is also reversed (e.g. Bec is prototyped once Jade is already in the Medium), then things should have gone much easier since Jack (and by extension the entire Inciphisphere) would have never gotten the First Guardian abilities that made him such a threat in the first place.
Assuming further that Jade's dreamself isn't overwritten by Bec's prototyping, then her godtiered self would have singular access to First Guardian powers in the session, and most likely be one of the most powerful players present. In that state, she would be more than capable of taking down Jack.
Actually, since Bec's prototyping was pretty significant, so there's a lot of little things that would have changed too:
*Bro and Davesprite might have won the fight against Jack on LOWAS, since the power boost Jack got during that fight from Bec's prototyping was the main reason he was able to beat them.
*John may have not done the Windy Thing on LOWAS, although this one is up in the air. Jack's Red Miles set fire to the entire planet, and Jack's power boost turned those flames green and much more dangerous, which prompted John to use his Breath powers and head to the top of his Echeladder. Still, the flames were already on their way, so it could have gone either way.
*If Jack was put into a state were he could be reasonably defeated within the session, then the Kids probably wouldn't have to scratch the session and send him to the Troll session in the first place, meaning the trolls might have gotten the Ultimate Reward and never have to contact the Kids. However, this scenario means the Green Sun is never made and the Alpha Session never brought into existence, so this doesn't seem likely. Let's assume we're working with a doomed timeline and call it a day.

Anyone else's thoughts?

Tropylium >> #7338
Posted on 2012-12-28 23:40:14 Score: 1 (vote Up/Down)   (Report as spam)
Well, if we're fully speculating, I don't think Davesprite could have brought himself to fight a Jade Noir at 100%, so the LOWAS fight still could have gone either way really. This would lead to a situation with "allegiance weaknesses" on both sides, not just Noir's.

Also, since this was her dreamself, Noir might end up with Witch of Space powers as well if Jade prime were to go godtier? Presumably a weaker boost than First Guardian powers, but still.

Snuffleheim >> #7353
Posted on 2012-12-29 00:45:22 Score: 1 (vote Up/Down)   (Report as spam)
^I think it's safe to assume that prototyping effects are only influenced by the state of the object prototyped at the time of entry at the latest, if not at point of pre-entry prototyping.