Pie
11/10/12 07:21PM
Yes we are using the specific sibling tags. Put the boy first (siblings:daverose johnjade caliborncalliope), that's just the pattern we fell into and it will keep any confusion and double tags out.

I think drug use should be for illegal drugs only, smoking isn't a shock thing in our culture, and most smokers of tobacco don't call themselves drug users in general.

Someone went ahead and nuked the Nintendo tag ( >: T) so I'm not even worrying about it right now for fear of someone else deciding my work was not worth it.

The Persona tag can be consolidated.
Pie
11/10/12 07:57PM
As a side, we are using deleted_source for sources in which the blog is still in use by the same person who is posting art there, and that particular picture was just deleted off their blog.

(again, don't remove the source)

Broken source is now for completely nuked blogs totally empty, and completely broken "not found, 404'd" types of links.

So there is
source_needed
broken_source
and deleted_source

because when something was self-deleted off a blog it's a lot less broken and just... doesn't exist anymore by the artist's own hand. It also differentiates completely dead from at least a source blog that is still making relevant content (if the blog has switched hands and gone to something completely different, mark it as broken). Someone thought there should be specification and I think it's fine.
Pie
11/10/12 09:35PM
Changing Rasuzu's artist tag to Andy. He's prolific, and he changes his url a ton. It hasn't been Rasuzu in a long time.
Tropylium
11/10/12 09:43PM
Pie said:
So there is
source_needed
broken_source
and deleted_source

because when something was self-deleted off a blog it's a lot less broken and just... doesn't exist anymore by the artist's own hand. It also differentiates completely dead from at least a source blog that is still making relevant content (if the blog has switched hands and gone to something completely different, mark it as broken). Someone thought there should be specification and I think it's fine.

Makes sense.

But on a related note, I'm also running into many of cases where a broken link leads to one of those redirect blog stubs. Sometimes just switching the username in the source URL to the current one produces a working source (in case the artist just renamed their account), but sometimes not. Here's the thing tho, some artists on tumblr don't rename their account when switching - they start a new account and reblog their old art to keep it still around. So a source that is broken in this fashion doesn't imply the source has been deleted entirely… it would take some digging to check which it is.

Sometimes these redirect chains also end up at a dead end or a blog that doesn't seem to have any HS material, so I've generally not been adding any artist tags in these cases.

BTW I suggest switching any sources of the shape whatever.deviantart.com/#/asdfgh to the actual deviation URL (usually something like user.deviantart.com/art/art-title), the former will not work for anyone without Javascript.
Chocoboo
11/10/12 09:55PM
Pie said:
Someone went ahead and nuked the Nintendo tag ( >: T) so I'm not even worrying about it right now for fear of someone else deciding my work was not worth it.

The Persona tag can be consolidated.


But I still see some pictures tagged with the "Nintendo" tag?? Honestly, I still don't think that tag is necessary. Not so sure about Tropy's "videogames" one(which would span even more images to tag). I mean do we really need to break down crossovers by media(especially when many franchises spans multiple media)? I think ultimately neither are those tags are needed at this point.

I am currently switching the persona_4 tag to persona though.
Pie
11/10/12 10:03PM
Nintendo wasn't by media, it is a larger fandom with smaller fandoms, the phrase "Nintendo Fanboy" is a thing, more culturally prevalent than the other two major companies. I was merely trying to be considerate. No we don't need "videogame" and "cartoon" tags. That wasn't what I was even doing.

I don't care that you nuked the tag, just a little more discussion over just doing it would have been nice.

Also if you're feeling so inclined, you can take off the Disney tag since it's exactly the same thing and if you find one pointless, then I have to assume you find the other one too.

@trop

Not to mention those DA sources look ugly and you can't even see the artist name in them. I've been switching them and definitely recommend others doing the same.

And yeah sometimes the source has become like a completely random weird blog about like... travel in Estonia or whatever. Just tag that as broken I suppose.
nobooks
11/10/12 10:05PM
I just tagged a bunch with the Nintendo tag just now. It was empty before, yeah, totally nuked.

Also, it is different than tagging by media. Nintendo games just kind of belong together. They've always been a family, often used together and crossing over with one another in other games. And yeah, nintendo fanboys and so on.
SirenDucks
11/10/12 10:07PM
Pie said:Someone went ahead and nuked the Nintendo tag ( >: T) so I'm not even worrying about it right now for fear of someone else deciding my work was not worth it.


Wow, rude.

I actually liked that tag.

Heads up, everyone. Your tag history is visible and the tag history for individual pictures is visible. We can see you.

I won't get mad at a small joke tag every now and again, but tag nuking without a sizable consensus will not be tolerated. If I catch you doing it, I will remind you KINDLY and GENTLY that a lot of people work really hard to put those tags in place and it's really hard work getting them back!

I don't want to say this more than once or twice, and I probably won't.

Happy tagging!
Chocoboo
11/10/12 10:24PM
Pie said:
Someone went ahead and nuked the Nintendo tag ( >: T) so I'm not even worrying about it right now for fear of someone else deciding my work was not worth it.


I don't care that you nuked the tag, just a little more discussion over just doing it would have been nice.



I don't get it because previously you seemed to not really care one way or another if I removed that tag(back when it only 20-ish images had it judging by your previous statement) a day ago:

Pie:That was the logic behind it anyways, it's not something I care enough about to get into a long talk about if others want to take it off.


And I thought explained it as much as I can. I was under the impression you were okay with it. :/

The media thing was refering to Tropy's suggestion of a "videogame" tag, and also Sony Fankid/Sony Defense Force and Xbots terms also exists, but that's a whole unrelated discussion.

Sorry if I misinterprated/offended you or anyone else and just let you guys tag whatever. :\
Pie
11/10/12 10:40PM
Just because I was ok with it being removed and one other person was doesn't mean I think other people shouldn't have the time to chime in. That's hardly a consensus. I'm one voice.

I don't super care about this particular tag, I think it's helpful but helpful tags get shot down, it happens. It was a tag that I added on the fly so it's not really anyone but me which makes me care a lot less about whether it's there or not. What bugs me a bit is in general this quickness to nuke tags that's been going on for a long time even on Skaia. I'm not targeting you in particular, I'm not targeting anyone in particular, it's a lot of people. And it is always harder to compile tags as opposed to deleting them. Yeah this tag wouldn't be as hard, but it is people's effort that shouldn't be just... poofed. It should take longer for a tag to get nuked, not quicker. I'm not offended, it's just bad flashbacks I guess.


I'm not saying you can't have an opinion, don't gimme that like that's what I'm saying, you know I wouldn't do that. I'm just saying one or two or even three people, even the person who made the tag, shouldn't decide for everyone. I wish more people actively participated in this thread though, that is something I wish.

I'm really not offended, I'm not even mad. A little exasperated yeah, but beyond that not so much. I understand what you thought and how I could have come across as confusing I just figure this is a good time to let my feelings on it all and why I get a little irked be clear I guess. I tried to tone police this reply as best I could.
Pie
11/10/12 10:50PM
Bottom line is I'm sorry for the confusion and really don't mind the tag not being there if everyone else doesn't.
Timeghoul
11/11/12 01:39AM
Earthbound isn't a generalized term for the series, it is just Mother 2, and I would rather not change the Earthbound tag to Mother, since people are more familiar with the former name.

I used a Shin_Megami_Tensei tag to encompass the Persona series since that's the franchise it belongs to, as well as to provide some company to the lone Nocturne fanart. "smt" would be a good alias
Chocoboo
11/12/12 10:53AM
Timeghoul said:
I would rather not change the Earthbound tag to Mother, since people are more familiar with the former name.


But we have plenty of Mother 3 cross-over fanart and there are more people than you know in this fandom that are familar with Mother 3.

Many people generally refer just Mother 2 as Earthbound, however people call Mother 3 as Mother 3, not Earthbound 2. As a whole, the folk who usually still draw fanart/ still remembers of Earthbound nowadays refer to the whole series as Mother.
Timeghoul
11/12/12 11:03AM
Yeah, which is why I created the mother_3 tag. If you want to add the mother tag to everything, then go ahead, I don't care.
Pie
11/12/12 11:32AM
Make up better Alpha kid clothing names if you aren't satisfied with the ones I pulled out of the hammerspace that is my ass at 2AM. I want clothing tags though.

Also made some temporary weapon tags in

Golden Guns
Skaia Fork
and Crocker Rifle

you can talk about if you don't like em.

These of course will get automatically edited for canon if it happens.
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