dranbo
12/26/12 08:21PM
Pietrek said:
I see all these fanarts of "human" Hal and I'm like... wow, people, you are naive. I mean, you really think he's good guy, but not understood, or shit like that? It's Hal. Now he has sorta power. I'm afraid it won't end well... but hey, I could be wrong about him. Anyway, for now I feel really bad when I'm looking at all these fanarts.


So little trust in this one. Just calm down and let your robot mast... care takers cradle you into a relaxing sleep
Pie
12/26/12 09:34PM
I don't trust Hal for shit myself, people seem to be falling for what (to me) seems like really blatant emotional manipulation of Dirk by Hal.


The fanart is lovely though, fanart rarely makes me sad.


(Unless it's supposed to)

Also Iunno the thoughts that seem to be creeping in that maybe Gamzee isn't totally just pure evil kind of make him more mysterious to me. I know to some people him having helpful motives would ruin everything but... Iunno. Mysterious guy, that Gamzee.
Swaghands
12/26/12 10:11PM
Anybody who has seen 2001: A Space Odyssey wouldn't trust Hal as far as they could throw him. I mean, since when has a computer becoming sentient spell good news? And don't even get me started on the manipulation of Dirk's mind. As for the whole "I'm afraid not to exist" thing, I could say he meant half-heartedly, just because of what we've seen of him so far, with the manipulation and such.

Anyway, Gamzee IS coming off as less evil, more strangely mysterious than he did before.

(OH GOD, HALIUSSPRITE BECOMES GLADOS.)
SpitfireSpirit
12/26/12 10:30PM
Pie said:
I don't trust Hal for shit myself, people seem to be falling for what (to me) seems like really blatant emotional manipulation of Dirk by Hal.


For the record, I don't trust Lil Hal either.

But I also don't think he was lying when he said he didn't want to die, and was afraid to not exist.

Lil Hal brought up the fact that they were the same person five times in that conversation. Hal obviously takes issue with the face that, like Davesprite, he isn't considered the real Strider. I dunno what his schemes are or what they imply for anybody, but that conversation didn't feel as much about emotional manipulation as it did a clash of different sides of Dirk, that are both Dirk, and don't like it.

and one of the Dirks left that conversation with some totally not symbolic cracked shades.

Remember what was said about how kernelsprites were attracted to the imminently deceased, or the doomed?
Pie
12/26/12 10:49PM
SpitfireSpirit said:
Pie said:
I don't trust Hal for shit myself, people seem to be falling for what (to me) seems like really blatant emotional manipulation of Dirk by Hal.


For the record, I don't trust Lil Hal either.

But I also don't think he was lying when he said he didn't want to die, and was afraid to not exist.

Lil Hal brought up the fact that they were the same person five times in that conversation. Hal obviously takes issue with the face that, like Davesprite, he isn't considered the real Strider. I dunno what his schemes are or what they imply for anybody, but that conversation didn't feel as much about emotional manipulation as it did a clash of different sides of Dirk, that are both Dirk, and don't like it.

and one of the Dirks left that conversation with some totally not symbolic cracked shades.

Remember what was said about how kernelsprites were attracted to the imminently deceased, or the doomed?


Of course he doesn't want to die. He's very much in the interest of self preservation. I don't think he was lying about that part, he might not have even been lying about the fear (though that brings up the interesting thought that if Hal is capable of legitimate emotion such as fear, his complete lack of it regarding Dirk is somewhat creepy... he's very robotic with Dirk, lacking any sort of legitimate empathy or positive feelings for this kid he's supposed to be like. I understand jealousy is a powerful thing, but he doesn't even act upset, he just acts suitably cold and robotic, peppered with passive aggressive taunting and provoking almost but then all of a sudden when he's about to get snapped he's busting out the fear card) but that doesn't mean his motives aren't suspect as hell and he creeps me out. Dirk himself called Lil Hal out on his passive aggressive tendencies, and yeah Dirk has some of that too, but if you really think Hal's gonna be content /just/ with having a body, then I disagree. Davesprite was always looking for validation, Hal to me is looking for a means to enact his plans. Has he ever had issue with anyone else calling him a super computer? (links please if he has, my memory is a tad fuzzy). He chose a different name, he's aware he is a computer. He's aware he's different, though that's not to say he doesn't /want/ to be the "real Dirk" I just don't buy into the "I wanna be a real boy so I can get hugs and live happily ever after" I just don't. It feels like manipulation to me, maybe I'm just being real insensitive I don't know. But I'm just not buying what the shades are selling at the moment.

Yes Hal and Dirk are essentially the same person, Hal has indeed insisted as much though again to me it's always felt like more reminding Dirk that what he hates about Hal is what he hates about himself (a fact that quite obviously after recent updates makes Dirk sick) not validating Hal's status as the same as Dirk because Hal needed that validation. But there is clearly something insidious going on that never happened with Davesprite.

Hal obviously doesn't want to die, Hal obviously wants a body, I'm not arguing that. I just don't trust him and kinda wanted to see the fucker snapped /cold hearted asshole

I sincerely hope I am wrong about everything in this post, because nothing good is going to come of the scenario as I imagine it. If Lil Hal with his fresh new body really does go skipping over the rainbow, god bless. It'll be much better then what I'm dreading, that's fr sure.
Tropylium
12/26/12 11:46PM
BackgroundGuy said:
Also, there are now two Void players in the session.

Sprites don't really count as players… Davesprite has no time powers AFAICR, and Jadesprite's "space" ones seemed to be mostly inheritance from Bec.
BackgroundGuy
12/27/12 02:48AM
Tropylium said:
BackgroundGuy said:
Also, there are now two Void players in the session.

Sprites don't really count as players… Davesprite has no time powers AFAICR, and Jadesprite's "space" ones seemed to be mostly inheritance from Bec.


They count as players for the purpose of God tier revival, don't they? And given Quest Crypts, that just might be enough. (I am imagining Fefetasprite sandwiched between the Slabs of Life and Heart. It is hilarious, and I am a terrible person.)
Dreadstrive
12/27/12 02:58AM
I agree with Pie about the whole emotional manipulation thing. I just KNEW Lil Hal was going to break out the "I don't want to die, I'm scared" line before I even read it in the pesterlog. Of course he knows exactly how to manipulate human emotions. That's just how evil sentient AI works.

As for Gamzee's machinations, I still don't know what the hell he's up to, but I like the idea that his prototyping antics are an effort to keep his friends' souls out of the dream bubbles, and thus safe from LE's ghostmurderin' rampage.
Timeghoul
12/27/12 05:40AM
Yeah, Gamzee dismembered their bodies so that he would have an easier time throwing them into the kernelsprite.
Pie
12/27/12 06:28AM
Dreadstrive said:

As for Gamzee's machinations, I still don't know what the hell he's up to, but I like the idea that his prototyping antics are an effort to keep his friends' souls out of the dream bubbles, and thus safe from LE's ghostmurderin' rampage.


Should be noted pretty much anything Vriska and Tavros are now doing would be pretty impossible (or at the least highly unlikely) had they not been brought together by the horror that was Tavrisprite. The odds of them finding each other like that at random have to be pretty astronomically small.
Pie
12/27/12 07:19AM
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MadameMiz
12/27/12 07:25AM
Ahaahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahaaaa.

Oh my shit.

I'm dying. Just, dead. I'm so done.
LonelyCoast
12/27/12 07:25AM
Holy mother of GOD, he's such a beef head
Chocoboo
12/27/12 07:25AM
C'mon Dirk, don't be a &$#! Just touch Arquiusprite's $@#&! muscles!
MisterSolitaire
12/27/12 09:23AM
Arquiusprite is the best thing to happen to Homestuck. Just when you thought Equius couldn't get better.
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