Chocoboo
05/02/13 03:08PM
NothingSpecial said:
Chocoboo said:
Even after all the criticisms the folks in this thread laid out against Homestuck?
Yep. I belong to that crazy sort of people who like to have questions unanswered - because it makes all the theories pawssible!


See, I think that's the thing that should have happened with the dancestors instead of spending 3 months in a series of walkarounds with one-dimensional tumblr jokes. Hussie could have use that time to create more character interactions with the meteor crew(how come Rose barely interacted with Karkat and Terezi) or better yet the battleship crew(How come there was next to no on-screen interaction with Davesprite, Jade was barely featured in the intermissions, etc). I would have rather wanted a walkaround or two featuring mostly those two traveling groups instead of mostly one-shot characters who seemed forced into the main plot or barely has any effect in the story.
NothingSpecial
05/03/13 01:00PM
Chocoboo said:
See, I think that's the thing that should have happened with the dancestors instead of spending 3 months in a series of walkarounds with one-dimensional tumblr jokes.
That's the good point. Still we can have some introductory plotline just because it gives depth to the Scratch mechanism of the game and parallelism in three, erm, "generations" of trolls.

By the way, I would appreciate some information about Pre-Scratch ancestors.
Chocoboo
05/03/13 03:08PM
You like to have your questions unanswered, but would want to see info on the pre-scratch ancestors?

Assuming the last surviving trolls make it to the end, I rather see them what they would become in adulthood in a epilogue and maybe the rest of the trolls what their hypothetical adulthoods would be in bonus pages after the comic ends.
Tropylium
05/03/13 05:51PM
For a comic so prominently featuring time travel and a highly branched multiverse, Homestuck really needs to get its metacosmology straightened out a bit. Not necessarily infodumped on, just some basic consistency enforced. Do alternate timelines just trail off indefinately? Or do they by some mechanism "fizzle out"? Are incipispheres simulated environments or do they "just exist"? Ditto the "proper" universes, are they physically contained within Bilious Slick, simulated by him, or is he just a "gate" of some sort? And how does this allow for independancy between the SGRUB timeline and the Earth timeline?

Consider that this is something that's definitely going to be touched upon in the end, unlike any number of character arcs. The world is going to be saved, that's a given - but it's not going to be much of a closure without a satisfactory definition of "world" and "save".

Also, I should hope Hussie's going to stay true to his promise and leave the fourth wall the fuck alone. I can't see anything good coming from further messing with the "Hussieverse"…
Chocoboo
05/03/13 06:07PM
Tropylium said:

Also, I should hope Hussie's going to stay true to his promise and leave the fourth wall the fuck alone. I can't see anything good coming from further messing with the "Hussieverse"…


I thought that promise was broken when he communicated with Caliborn(I feel bad for the people who wanted it to be Doc Scratch talking to him instead of Hussie) and his latest interaction with Vriska?
Tropylium
05/03/13 06:16PM
Chocoboo said:
I thought that promise was broken when he communicated with Caliborn(I feel bad for the people who wanted it to be Doc Scratch talking to him instead of Hussie) and his latest interaction with Vriska?

I'm talking about Narrator Hussie's promise to not actively meddle in things. Caliborn and Vriska staying in contact with him is still acceptable… IRL Hussie never made any promises about not putting meta-stuff in the comic.
Chocoboo
05/03/13 08:02PM
Actually, Narrator Hussie did actively meddle with Caliborn by giving him the inspiration to go with a mobster theme for the Felt. Not to mention he did attempt to bring Vriska back to life with the Ring of Life.
Snuffleheim
05/03/13 09:18PM
^Well, attempting and failing still falls in line with the promise because failing doesn't actually affect much. Although I guess it put the Ring of Life in a position where Tavros could find it. Although it would have been possible to do it fine without character Hussie's intervention.
NothingSpecial
05/04/13 08:25PM
Chocoboo said:
You like to have your questions unanswered, but would want to see info on the pre-scratch ancestors?
Yep. Imagination needs a ground. I can imagine them as anything, I can use parallel to the Pre-Scratch dancestors and some Earth-like and Alternia-like society mix but it would be Earth-like and Alternia-like society mix, not Beforan society.

Assuming the last surviving trolls make it to the end, I rather see them what they would become in adulthood in a epilogue and maybe the rest of the trolls what their hypothetical adulthoods would be in bonus pages after the comic ends.
Hypothetical adulthoods in Alternia non-destroyed hypothetical future?
Snuffleheim
05/05/13 03:36AM
^Hypothetically.
SpitfireSpirit
07/18/13 10:45PM
oops
Chocoboo
07/18/13 11:53PM
SpitfireSpirit said:
Its upsetting because when I first started reading HS, I thought that Hussie could do no wrong, like the whole thing was going to be as great as it had been the whole time I was reading it. I could not conceive a dark future at all. He has the smarts and talent to pull off good writing. That's not the issue. He's just getting bored of it.


I remember pre-Cascade, that he said, paraphrasing, in his formspring or his tumblr "Think of all the stupid things that can happen in Homestuck. This is not what I'm going to do." Welp. After Cascade, a lot of stupid things happened in this comic which is why I'm also not enjoying it as I'm used to.

I also remember he said "he was making Homestuck, not Trolls: The Sitcom!" in response to some questions about some A2 trolls being underused and killed off, but low and behold, the meteor updates could arguably be considered as "Trolls:The Sitcom".

Anyway, a question to Spitfire, would you have enjoyed Homestuck more if it had a smaller cast of characters and a story in a much smaller scale?

EDIT: Aw dangit! You didn't need to delete your reply. :(
SpitfireSpirit
07/19/13 02:45AM
Chocoboo said:
Anyway, a question to Spitfire, would you have enjoyed Homestuck more if it had a smaller cast of characters and a story in a much smaller scale?

EDIT: Aw dangit! You didn't need to delete your reply. :(


You caught me, so fine.

I don't think Homestuck would have worked without fully exploring all the things it has. Maybe if Hussie didn't have to do everything himself, this wouldn't have happened.

I REALLY want to see what Karkat, Eridan, Aradia, etc would have been like as ancestors, and I think that could add some good stuff to the story, but its not "necessary" so Hussie skips over it. He does this a lot, and if he had someone working closely with him he wouldn't have to one-man-writing-staff the whole thing himself, leading him to tire out like this.

Chocoboo
07/19/13 06:23AM
You mean like an editor? I do agree that the comic is in dire need of one.
SpitfireSpirit
07/19/13 06:48AM
Chocoboo said:
You mean like an editor? I do agree that the comic is in dire need of one.


I mean like a co-writer.

Or like underlings.
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