Chocoboo
07/19/13 07:41AM
^That seems like more of a disaster waiting to happen. Case in point the varied quality of writing in Marvel and DC comics.
Snuffleheim
07/19/13 09:11AM
I don't think the issues the comic has are because anything related to skill. I'm fairly confident Hussie could pull off some of the things we seem to desire if he wanted to. But he seems to want to emphasize the comedic aspect of the comic's style at the expense of dramatic/emotional for the moment. As I see it, it's an entirely stylistic problem.

I can live with unexplored territory. It's a fact of fiction after all, there just isn't enough room in any medium to go over everything relevant. It's just that the things that are being focused on aren't being given the kind of depth of dramatic consideration they would need to deliver an emotional payoff.

...come to think of it, the glossing over hasn't even been played for laughs much recently. Is he just postponing the moment? I can't really think of any other reason to not have played the reunion for SOMETHING by now.
SpitfireSpirit
07/19/13 02:10PM
Snuffleheim said:
I don't think the issues the comic has are because anything related to skill. I'm fairly confident Hussie could pull off some of the things we seem to desire if he wanted to. But he seems to want to emphasize the comedic aspect of the comic's style at the expense of dramatic/emotional for the moment. As I see it, it's an entirely stylistic problem.


I didn't say skill, I just said if he could have someone to maybe help him draw or something to take the load somewhat off of him.

And I actually don't even care for "comedy" that much in entertainment, so Hussie and I have been at odds in that sense. He plays everything for laughs and I'm just rolling my eyes. Humor is nice but he uses it too much. Isn't he like.. afraid of dramatic approaches to his story or something? Like he can't write them? Or just doesn't like them? I can definitely understand the aversion to drama's over-the-top tendencies, being an Ozu fan, but its seems like he just... avoids it at all costs, more so now.
Chocoboo
07/19/13 03:53PM
SpitfireSpirit said:
I didn't say skill, I just said if he could have someone to maybe help him draw or something to take the load somewhat off of him.


You mean like the art team?
SpitfireSpirit
07/19/13 06:54PM
Chocoboo said:
SpitfireSpirit said:
I didn't say skill, I just said if he could have someone to maybe help him draw or something to take the load somewhat off of him.


You mean like the art team?


Yes.

Like the art team.

Only more of them, and not just "when he asks them for something". More like "takes work away from him constantly so he doesn't get overloaded."

If he has an "art team" but still gets overloaded like this, it means that they aren't enough. It's pretty damn simple.
Snuffleheim
07/19/13 09:31PM
SpitfireSpirit said:
Humor is nice but he uses it too much.

Agreed. The balance is too far towards the comedic end given the events depicted for my taste, and has been ever since the end of act 4, with exceptions, of course.

SpitfireSpirit said:
Isn't he like.. afraid of dramatic approaches to his story or something? Like he can't write them? Or just doesn't like them? I can definitely understand the aversion to drama's over-the-top tendencies, being an Ozu fan, but its seems like he just... avoids it at all costs, more so now.

Like I said, I think he could write it dramatically if he wanted, but for some reason he doesn't seem to want to. If I were to guess (and it is of course only a guess) I'd say it's because of the image he has of the comic. Maybe he sees it as a primarily comedic work with dramatic elements.
...I dunno about you, but I would disagree with that image. It's always seemed to me that the dramatic underpinnings of Homestuck has been its core component, with the self-aware comedy being an (admittedly essential) stylistic trait.
SpitfireSpirit
07/19/13 10:55PM
Snuffleheim said:
...I dunno about you, but I would disagree with that image. It's always seemed to me that the dramatic underpinnings of Homestuck has been its core component, with the self-aware comedy being an (admittedly essential) stylistic trait.


Yeah that sounds accurate. It just seems like Hussie undercuts those dramatic underpinnings more often than not, and it bothers me a great deal. Like that bit with Jane, after Caliborn bullied her to tears and she ran to her house. That part where she's monologuing to herself afterward, looking at the remnants of her old life, was what everyone else had going on in the background when THEY were going through it themselves, but only when we get to Jane do we really even mention it. And again, with the whole "expediency" thing, then you start to speed this process UP. So it's like more crap at a greater velocity.

Snuffleheim
07/19/13 10:57PM
SpitfireSpirit said:
So it's like more crap at a greater velocity.

This is going to become my new favorite out of context quote, ok? Ok.
Bathtub_Shitter
08/29/13 04:22AM
"Homosuck" not being a one-off joke. It serves no other purpose than to further beat into the audience's heads that Caliborn represents the negative aspect of the fandom, which is the least interesting aspect of him, while simultaneously stroking Hussie's ego.

edit: spoke too soon, this one is a lot better than the previous outing
Chocoboo
09/03/13 10:16PM
Okay, now that I got over the twist and let the recent updates stew in my mind for a bit, does anyone else think Mind Control is a really cheap plot device in this comic due to undermining character development and also Hussie being really inconsistent with the rules he established about it in Act 5?

I mean in the previous acts we are told that low bloods are susceptible to mind control while the higher bloods are immune to it, and yet the Serkets are easily able to control highbloods. We are told that humans can only be put to sleep with Scorpio mind control and yet the HIC can control Jade's human side instead of putting that part to sleep.
Snuffleheim
09/04/13 12:46AM
^Yeah, that's kind of getting annoying.

I do like the uptick in drama that's going on, tho.
Doc_Bad_Ideas
09/04/13 12:53AM
Chocoboo said:
I mean in the previous acts we are told that low bloods are susceptible to mind control while the higher bloods are immune to it, and yet the Serkets are easily able to control highbloods. We are told that humans can only be put to sleep with Scorpio mind control and yet the HIC can control Jade's human side instead of putting that part to sleep.


What I think:
- Highbloods have high psychic resistance, but that's not the same as immunity; only Feferi, I think, and the Condesce, are perfectly immune, as they are perfectly immune to the Vast Glub. Plus Aranea seems to be a more powerful psychic than Vriska - note that she has passive empathy, whereas Vriska only had active mind-reading.
- Jade is being Tavros'd. Her animal and human sides are merged enough that controlling the former affects the latter.
SpitfireSpirit
09/04/13 01:12AM
I'm back because I'm bored.

Did anyone else just laugh at the Aranea reveal.

I can't take her seriously. It's like Evil!Jade. This is just dumb to me.

"Haha oh it's so cool how he turned a joke character into a threatening joke character wow so great".
I frown on the existence of joke characters at all. "You're a part of the story but the thing is your existence is actually a joke. It's funny because you aren't as important as these other characters/people. Nothing you do actually matters." I don't see it as getting butthurt over a label, but more so over a poisonous way of thinking. I say its a bad way to write.

@ Chocoboo: Hussie doesn't care about continuity and neither should you. He's essentially maneuvered the comic to be created in such a way that he can edit anything in at any time, as the whole John-arm thing illustrated, to change the story into anything he pleases from what story already exists. Who cares what was said in Act 5? This is Act 6 Act 6 Intermission 2. As long as its kinda in line with canon, then whatever.


Or maybe everything I said is just baseless crap and I just don't care about Homestuck anymore. I take things too seriously and am doomed to be disgusted with excessive humor and puns.
Chocoboo
09/04/13 03:55AM
Doc_Bad_Ideas said:

- Jade is being Tavros'd. Her animal and human sides are merged enough that controlling the former affects the latter.


This feels like...an asspull to me. She mostly human except with the dog ears and the occasional bark and craving for doggie treats. And from what we learned of mind control previously, is that Jade(human side) should be unconscious, period. I think her mind control would've been more plausible if she stuck to barking or having much more Bec-like thoughts instead of being Jade but Evil(and doing a terrible job at it).

SpitfireSpirit said:

Did anyone else just laugh at the Aranea reveal.

I can't take her seriously. It's like Evil!Jade. This is just dumb to me.

"Haha oh it's so cool how he turned a joke character into a threatening joke character wow so great".


Now that you mentioned it, this sort of feels like a retread of Gamzee's and Vriska's plots in Act 5. Though some parts in Act 6 feels like a retread and in a very bad way.

@ Chocoboo: Hussie doesn't care about continuity and neither should you. He's essentially maneuvered the comic to be created in such a way that he can edit anything in at any time, as the whole John-arm thing illustrated, to change the story into anything he pleases from what story already exists. Who cares what was said in Act 5? This is Act 6 Act 6 Intermission 2. As long as its kinda in line with canon, then whatever.


I don't know man, he seem to care about continuity for gags...just not that much for certain aspects of the plot nowadays.

It seems that Hussie likes to introduce more and more plot points that shouldn't have been introduced so late in this story I have to wonder if he will ever finish this comic in 2014(no way is he going to finish it this year.)
Bathtub_Shitter
09/04/13 04:32AM
Chocoboo said:

Now that you mentioned it, this sort of feels like a retread of Gamzee's and Vriska's plots in Act 5. Though some parts in Act 6 feels like a retread and in a very bad way.



Speaking of retreads, all of these different characters vying for control of this session reminds me of those anticlimactic showdown combos during horrorstuck, so I can see this ending a similar way.
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